YASEO (Yet another search engine optimization company...)

[Christian_SEO]

We offer cost-effective search engine optimization and Internet consulting services.

We'll spend the time getting to know you and your business (or hobby) that the other companies won't. We'll also give you free advice that you can use to do the work yourself.

We're members of www.SEOPROS.ORG who offer a free RFP system that allows you to get bids from qualifed companies on your SEO project.

Thanks,
Christian Nielsen

[admin]

Hi Christian,

What is the normal cost on SEO. I have a handful of sites that i would really like to see getting more hits and more searchs found if you know what i mean.

If possible let me know.

Thanks
William

[Christian_SEO]

Hi William,

Real SEO by someone that has a pretty good idea of what they are doing is going to start around $300 and go way up from there. My company charges $600 for a 10 page site, and that includes keyword research, creating meta tags, editing page titles and descriptions. That gets your site optimized.

We also include the search engine and directory submissions. We submit the main URL by hand to about 120 systems and then use a submission program to submit all the other pages of the site. hand submission is the best, but one page takes about 6 hours to all the places we submit to. We use a submission program to get more pages out there with systems that do not mind automated submissions.

If you want a free analysis some or all of your sites, just let me know. If you have the time, you can actually do a lot of the work yourself and improve things.

Thanks,
Christian

[danzarrella]

"submission services"?...

haven't we learned our lesson with the "we submit to 120 search engines" trick? sure you may submit to that many but how many actually matter, 3, 4 maybe? (google, overture, FAST) and most of these *do not* like automated anything, esp not submissions, as this is considered spammy.

SEO, IMHO, is a skill every webmaster should posses, as effective optimization involves every aspect of site planning, archtecture, writing, etc.

although i may be wrong, and i'd love to hear it if i am as this is only my opinion and the best way to learn is to be proven wrong, also i'd love to hear this "free analysis" of a few sites that i have,
thanks,
-dan

[Joe Theory]

i have to agree with danzarrella on this one. you can submit to as many search engines as you want to but id only like to be charged for the 10 that people actually use.....better yet, ill just do it myself...

[Christian_SEO]

I understand your concern, but are really not one of those typical companies that you are describing. We have our submission list on our site at http://www.nielsentech.com/links.cfm and there is a link there that you can use to download a copy of the spreadsheet that we use.

Do we submit to some sites that are "small" and do not bring much traffic? Sure!

Google used to be small, and Go.com used to be big...

We don't submit to any FFA sites or anything like that...

Like I said we submit the main URL by hand, but use a submission program to submit to a subset of systems that do not mind or know if you use a submission program. We only submit one page a day with the submission program and it's worked well for us with no banning or anything like that.

It's not so much the use of automated submissions, but the abuse of the submissions that is a problem.

You can certainly submit the site yourself and the benefit you would gain by submitting to 110 other sites may not be enough to make it worth your while.

But your site will gain something in terms of link popularity by being listed in other systems. And in all that you read about SEO your will hear much about the need to do maintainenance on the listings? With our method, you don't need it! Once the site is listed the traffic stays about the same over a long (2 years) period of time.

Thanks,
Christian

[danzarrella]

i checked out your list, and it seems reasonable to what you said, however when i started checking out your list of projects you've done i came across and "interesting" technique:

using html comments to Loaded with keywords (i'd paste here, but it'd be a page long or more)
i saw this on all of the pages listed that i checked.

Does this work?
if so, what SE's like this and don't consider it spam?
does this bump your keyword density into the dangerous 5%+ area?

[Christian_SEO]

You'll have to tell me one of the pages you checked. We never used an HTML comment for keywords, or if we did it was years ago...

We DO use the full 1,000 character limit on the keywords tag and we really don't pay attention to the dreaded "keyword density".

The keywords are seperated by commas. This means that while the same "word" may appear may times, the "search phrase" is only used once.

I have some programming background, so I try to think like a SE programmer on what makes sense.

toy, boat, red, blue, green covers "all the combinations, but what do people search for? Red toy boat, blue toy boat, etc.

So what we use is most of the relevent phrases that we find in our keyword research that people really use.

We believe that someone figured out that there is no way to include all the possibilities on the visable page, so the keyword tag is there, in part, to allow you to list other phrases that mean the same thing or are a variation.

We don't worry about density and we don't use positioning and ranking reports. We judge the success of a project only on what we see in the web reports for the site.

Let me know about those pages you saw and I'll check them out. It's also possible that a client has changed their site. Most of those projects on our site are *old*. DAS, for example was done over two years ago and they are are best client reference.

Thanks,
Christian

[danzarrella]

i found this tag on your site:
<!-- Consulting firm specalizing in search engine optimization (SEO) and Search engine placement services. Provides professional results with proven effectiveness at a price that's resonable. Average site can be optimized for less than $500! Not just a submission service! -->

and this tag on Milan International Film Festival (the last site listed)
<!-- MIFF site offers information about the young international film festival, Milan International Film Festival. It's mission is to provide a world-class international platform to promote films of talented independent and experimental film makers. Film festivals, foreign films, italian movie, milano italy, italian film, international film festival, mifed, italian cinema, cinema milano, miff, film fest, italian film director, italian film festival, milan film festival, milan international film festival, milano film festival, milano film festival international, milano international film festival, mifed 2001, mifed film festival, mifed milan, milano festival, milano film festival 2001 -->

btw, i'm not trying to give you a hard time, i'm just of the mindset that the best way to explore a concept is to debate it. all in the name of learning.
similar tags can be found on the DAS site, the kenyan site etc, etc, etc

[Christian_SEO]

Ooops! Yeah, the MIFF site is an oldie. The description should be there but not the keywords. Those should be pulled.

The first one is from our site, and may or may not be what is in the description tag. We put a copy of the description tag as an HTML comment for the systems that do not use the description tag, but pull the first text they see on the page.

Is it spam? Maybe.

But if you see sites that have a description like:

Home | Products | Order | Support | Contact | (C)Copyright 1999 by Nu Web designs Inc.

Then you can see why we do it.

Good call on the MIFF site.

More recient projects:

www.wilcoxlegal.com --- just submitted this month
www.jrrobertssecurity.com
www.gaintheadvantage.com
www.river-towers.com
www.chapincompany.com
www.c4communicationsinc.com
www.titlesearch.us
www.ethnichomedecor.com

So ok, before you snoop around and give me a hard time, we DO add some keywords to some of the ALT text tags and yes, this not exactly "best practices", but we don't over do it and have not seen any negitive effect from the practice.

Thanks for not giving me a hard time :-) but you are, a little; and that's ok. There are a lot SEOs out there that deserve that and more.

I also am open to learning new things or even un-learn some things that I think are correct.

Christian

[danzarrella]

hehe, i've never had a problem with using alt tags as keyword holders, esp when its not overkill, and grossly innacurate (pity the screenreaders and lynx users). and i use this technique where appropriate, say are you guys hiring? ;p

[Christian_SEO]

Our company is pretty small at this point, but I am building a list of people that I can use as subcontractors.

If you are interested you could send me your contact info. We can see if we might be able to work together. So far all I have is rank beginners, but I'd almost rather train someone than un-train someone. You sound like you have some pretty good background though, so I'd be willing to talk about it with you.

Thanks,
Christian

P.S. I'm glad a trip to our site didn't make you write us off...!!! I've been needing to update it for over a year now.